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February 12, 2009

Thanks Reema for this link:

Another tragic example of the growing intolerance and girls being targeted. A 15-year-old school girl killed herself near Mangalore after she was publicly humiliated.

Speaking to NDTV, IGP A M Prasad confirmed that the 15-year-old girl, a Hindu, committed suicide.

On Tuesday, she got off a bus along with some other girls and a Muslim youth. Another group of young men accosted them and took them to a police inspector, who took them to a police station at Moodbidri, around 40 km from Mangalore.

The parents of one of the girls were called and the Muslim youth was forced to write an apology letter. The next morning the girl committed suicide.

EXACTLY the reason why campaigns like PCC should NOT be followed through. The only argument that I hear in its favor is that it’s peaceful. How is it peaceful? It is as peaceful as Saddam Hussein putting George Bush Sr’s photo on the floor of a lobby entrance in one of his posh hotels in Iraq post the Gulf War (hearsay). It is that humiliation that George Bush (the recent one) is said to have revenged.

Attempts at humiliation in such an outward fashion can never be peaceful! Sending Muthalik and his ilk flowers, I can understand, but undergarments and dvds of Kamasutra et al? That’s outright impertinent. No self respecting person should indulge in such ill-thought out impulsive behavior. So you send them pink panties now … and SRS sends pink saris back … then you send them pink condoms … and SRS sends pink lungis back … wth! Where does it stop?!?! And what good does it bring?

Yes, Ree, you’re right. Pink Chaddis are not enough! In fact, they won’t do anything at all except creating a hullabaloo and a lot of disgust in those ‘traditionally minded’ (which make up for a huge chunk of Indian population). Ask any parent (as Monika has tried) about the girls who got hit in Mangalore, a vast majority of Indian parents including mothers would say that the girls shouldn’t have been at the pub. Ask the same parents/people about their views on Pink Chaddi!! They should be the audience! NOT SRS or women like me who are pretty liberated so to speak. Those people, when questioned, would say that these PCC women have lost their mind for pulling such ridiculous stunts. We do NOT want that to happen! We have to WIN OVER the people who are borderline supporting RSS ideology and not alienate those people!

We need strong action rite now against the perpetrators to set an example. All the youth involved should be taken to task seriously. That’s the government’s job. Important is that the government is pressurized to act. All the time and energy that is being collectively spent on buying underwears and making lingerie companies richer can also be productively spent on ensuring that the perpetrators are convicted! Set that as an example. Don’t delude yourself into thinking that PCC is peaceful! It is NOT.

I like the ‘avalentineforIndia‘ idea. There is another group that is holding rallies in Mumbai, Chennai and Bangalore on February 14th. Their logo says it all:

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If you want more information about them, please let me know. They’re also on Facebook.

People across the country are ready for a change. They no longer want to live in an oppressive society. Please don’t give them any reason to revert back on their paths. Be respectful of others’ sentiments, of yourself, and behave in a manner that befits a person who thinks before acting. It’s time we show that women too can think and they’re really not only emotional and daft creatures as stereotyped. PCC is only playing into the stereotype as opposed to moving away from it (as Mystic also mentioned). I would suggest you to not fall for it … but every thinking mind is unique. More power to the supporters and I truly applaud your conviction. At least you are doing something as opposed to people like me who are only talking. :) So cheers! Just please make sure that this doesn’t end with this! Continue the movement and be productive with it.

32 Comments leave one →
  1. February 12, 2009 11:32 am

    Roop..:)
    I am part of both the avalentineforIndia march and the PCC…and think both forms are fine…
    lemme come back in a bit..:)
    though have to say I am able to see both the viewpoints and yet am okay with PCC…
    dunno:(

    some work…will be back:)

  2. February 12, 2009 11:37 am

    PCC is a completely ridiculous movement.

    Posting PCC logos on blogs, following the (official) PCC blog (official my ass), becoming a PCC fan on facebook, buying pink chaddis from roadside lingerie stalls and looking into the eyes of other people for that reassuring hint of being the supporters of the same holy cause… all that is an easy attempt to justify ourselves. I am glad I am not another sheep in the pink herd. But at the same time I feel utterly hopeless for the lack of a concrete action plan of which I can be a part of…

  3. February 12, 2009 11:49 am

    I have been reading funny posts on PCC. While I agree that it will humiliate the Mutalik stuff, I fail to comprehend why it does not humiliate women too. (I have been coming up with yucky ideas of my own to add on to the PCC, but they are private ruminations on chat with hubby and a few of my friends).
    I would support sending bangles to them though because they are traditionally a symbol to humiliate a MAN and that is precisely we are wanting to do.
    I found a PC at my place but I didnt send it. I dont think I would.
    I have read all your posts on PCC and agree, agree to the hilt. THis is why i have not sported the PC logo on my blog.

  4. February 12, 2009 11:51 am

    Hey Roop, I totally agree with you……I had the same views on my blog too, except I wasn’t so sure initially. First, i thought the PCC is great, then I felt no, it’s wrong, why are we stooping down to their level, they are goons and that too media frenzy ones at that! We don’t need to be like them! Let’s take a national approach to it, while PCC will make them shameful for a while, but what about the rest of such groups? We can’t go about sending chaddis to all these elements right? So better to tackle it from the inside out, although still awaiting a solution. This abusing and harrassment exists in USA too…recent top case being Rihanna beaten up by Chris Brown, do you know how much of a discussion and ban Chris Brown movements this has led too? It is unbelievable. Now, if Aishwarya Rai or some other celeb too was abused, do you think the big guys would keep quiet? Obviously not, so we fight for it, for the girls in Mangalore whose incident was so exposed, and also for all those women who are being abused every moment, which we never hear of. Let’s fight it together! For our rights and our freedom! I’m sorry for the long comment!

  5. February 12, 2009 12:31 pm

    I am with you on the PCC thing. I believe that will just increase the power base of the SRS, with fence sitters joining it in disgust. And it will hurt the cause of women in small towns and villages all across the country. Emancipation for women in our country has to be earned one dignified step at a time. Not this sort of behavior which will just arouse animosity. And by the way, I have still failed to make the connection between the PC and what happened at Mangalore. Why the PC as a symbol of protest?

  6. February 12, 2009 1:22 pm

    Back again:)
    PC Campaign is ridiculous but I dont see any other way to deal with the goons…
    How will anything else work?
    Actually what else will work?
    I really didnt understand how this is not peaceful.Will the public be enraged?If they would be then why is the public not enraged at what happened in the pub?
    And if it is the SRS that will be enraged then arent they alredy enraged enough?They have already showed their colours .
    I did not get the example :D(am I dumb?)
    I joined hoping that this is yet another way to protest and that hopefully this will be taken forward even after 14th..
    Arent we being a tad too quick in dismissing the PCC?
    Coz who knows this might just be the start of something…:)
    And then again might be a short lived affair..
    I dont know,I really did not find any problem with PCC.
    It seems perfectly fine to me.
    and when we say PCC is a campaign that offends arent we again falling for another stereotype,one that tells us to live up to being a ‘good woman’ who does nothing ‘vulgar’ or ‘inappropriate’?

    I think it is a way of protesting to showcase the sheer ludicrous claims /threats of the SRS.

    more later..:)

    I am doing this nowadays…commentin on posts that are contrary to my views(only by chance):)
    I think I might be turning into a troll:D

  7. February 12, 2009 2:35 pm

    This is pure communalism, as far as I can see. No more, no less.

    It appears to have nothing to do with under-wear of any sort, pink or otherwise.

  8. February 12, 2009 6:12 pm

    Hi Roop!

    While I am only partly following this story ( I try to at least know the basics of stuff outside the US that has to do with women) I can’t really put my thoughts into words.

    What I can say is that change has to start somewhere. Does it mean pink undies? I don’t know. What I do know is you can’t be afraid of your life or others if you are going to make a change.

    The Women’s Suffrage Movement here in the States was horrid. The women endured horrible things…and in the end we earned the right to vote (black men were allowed to vote before any woman of any color was).

    Black people have endured horrible things in their quest for equality as well. In the end they have the right to vote and own land as well as hold a decent job and make a decent wage.

    Again, if you want change then violence is going to occur. India, as well as other countries, have oppressed women for so long that it is going to take something violent to change it. There are going to be people who do NOT want to change and will do whatever it takes to NOT change.

    I don’t know what the answer is…but I do know that peaceful isn’t a part of it.

    The question is…how far are Indian women willing to go for the equality of yourselves, your daughters, and your granddaughters?

  9. February 12, 2009 7:13 pm

    Roop it’s true that a whole lot of Indians will not understand PCC, but that does not make it wrong.

    We need as many voices from all over India, from ALL Indias, not not just the majority, and not just India but world, voices of anger, pain, solemn and dignified voices, wild rants, sad voices … I would support all the voices that speak against Talibanisation of India.

    I know there are people who won’t understand PCC but then they must raise their voices in whichever other ways they can. I will join them too.

    The Pink Chaddi Campaign brought a lot of people together, now atleast we know what a huge number of people are against SRS? It has started a much needed action by ordinary people.
    It gave some more people a chance to participate in protests.

    I will join every single protest I can.
    Although In am against sending bangles, (it seems like saying being womanly is being cowardly) … but I will join those protests too, whether we agree with the methods or not, it would help if we supported every voice for the cause.

    Most of all we need to stop worrying about being dignified when dealing with these goons, I think, honor, dignity and solemnity belongs to right action, the PCC is about saying we don’t think you deserve better…and we are sick of being told to be good girls.

  10. February 12, 2009 7:24 pm

    Roop, shall comment at length. I have too many things on my mind. Exam`s day after! Just wanted to ask you how you`re doing. Hope`s things are ‘cooling’ down a bit :) hugs

  11. February 12, 2009 7:24 pm

    Quoting from a commen by Solilo,

    “I think Muthalik too like some of those fanatics thought that easy way to get name and fame is to do something drastic which will shock the nation. Beating up women did just that. He didn’t stop there but went a step further by opening moral policing saloons esp. for Feb 14.

    All this was giving him high but the Pink Campaign definitely for sure dampened his spirit. Whatever he says now, he is humiliated. This thing is forever going to be associated with his name. Sure! negative publicity is also a publicity but this was something least expected.

    Nothing works anymore. Govt. biased keep quiet. These goons get on with their antics. At least more humiliation may work. I am positive about it. “

  12. February 12, 2009 8:51 pm

    Read this guys – well written (and my comment from the previous post):

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=49641698651&topic=7600

  13. February 12, 2009 9:56 pm

    Just what I want to say, only fleshed out better put forward with more clarity. :)
    You feeling better now?

  14. February 12, 2009 11:29 pm

    I agree with what you say. Peaceful or not, I do not see what is going to come of it. Hence I do not see the point in just doing something which is not going to provide results.

    I think we need to pressurize the government and start something which will give results even if it is going to take some time.

    Aathira! Exactly. stooping down to their level doesn’t make us any better.

  15. February 12, 2009 11:37 pm

    Well, not know much about this campaign..read only on yours and poonam’s blog. From whatever little I understand of the motivation behind this and it’s intended implications, I tend to agree with the supporters of PCC and their arguments given in their comments here. Some action is better than no action…besides, the more serious ways to tackle this scourge, as you mentioned, should be pursued too.. PCC is perhaps an interesting start.

    lallo: maybe … ! :)

  16. sscribbles permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:29 am

    Roop, I think PCC is the most peaceful campaign that should make perpetrators of crime hang their head in shame. Isn’t it disdainful that a girl commits suicide owing to these goons? PCC is just a small step, maybe the first step, in showing those goons that we the women are liberated and stand united in our thoughts. The PCC is just an effort to humiliate the guy. Seeing the sheer amount of people suporting the campaign this guy now knows that his middle name now would always be Pink Chaddi.
    Think about it, we can do more but PCC too was and is essential to show our protest.

    sscribles: perhaps ….. i have no qualms in accepting that i was wrong if i am proven wrong!!! :) and i truly hope that i am proven wrong for the sake of the mission. :)

  17. Quirky Indian permalink
    February 13, 2009 1:33 am

    Roop, I have been following your views on the PCC, as well as those of others.

    I am not sure I agree when you say it isn’t peaceful. It is. It is provocative, but peaceful and entirely legal. You may be right when you say chaddies will lead to saris and then to condoms and then to lungis…but a point would have been made. Not just protesting this incident, but bigger. For me, the PCC is like Indian women re-claiming their identity and sexuality. It is like flinging your identity as a woman in the face of those who seek to suppress it. Would sending pink roses have the same effect? No. Roses might be a protest, but chaddies are both a protest and a statement. And it is meant to be provocative.

    Just my two bits.

    Cheers,

    Quirky Indian

    QI: Yes, I totally relate to where you’re coming from. But like you said, it is provocative …. and I only fear the negative backlash.

  18. February 13, 2009 2:48 am

    U know what roop… I agree partially with the points u hav put forward but I see PPC as a campaign which has brought youth together… tell me one other thing that has been able to do it

    I am also a part of the peace protest went to one yesterday afternoon planning to go to one tmrw too… but the no of people supporting that are like handful that is what PPC has done

    and I also see it just as a start and we need to do much much more after this…

    Mon: just one point … it has brought the rich and the upper middle class youth together which merely comprises 25% of indian population and not a crucial votebank. you have to remember that :)

  19. February 13, 2009 4:21 am

    100% in agreement with you :-)

  20. February 13, 2009 4:46 am

    I have a simple policy.

    If I see a movement with good intention, I will support it. If I dont agree with it, I will stay mute. But I would not pull it down. I would not breathe a single word against it unless it threatens my good work..basically threatens any otehr good work. PCC is symbolic movement and it takes courage to tread into uncomfy waters where decades of morality and etiqutee has been ploughed into our psyche.

    I am with IHM all the way. I may or may not send chaddis to PCC, but I am clear about one thing: I support it. Not a negative word from me about them. I am sure PCC knew there would be criticism. I respect their courage and zeal to take the initiative. Cheers to that!

  21. February 13, 2009 7:54 am

    This is why Pink Chaddis and not Pink Choodis. No bangles could have conveyed this.

  22. February 13, 2009 8:12 am

    @Poonam:
    “I would not breathe a single word against it unless it threatens my good work..basically threatens any otehr good work.”

    What if I can prove to you that it can actually threaten the good works and it will do more harm than any good to everyone? Well I will simply copy paste the points I’ve been putting across other blogs:

    1. this made-to-look-cool campaign of sending undergarments seems to focus more on defending the right to patronize a pub, rather than the core issue of women [freedom, violence]. May be campaign owners had started with good intentions, but supporters that they have got are hardly worried about the primary goal!

    2. The campaign got easy publicity due to blogging and internet networking, but lets see, how much of Indian population is internet savvy? 25%? Okay, assuming that, how many of them are bold enough to accept such campaigns? 5% ?
    What about the rest 95%? Will they approve such campaign?

    3. Continuing on the same thoughts, I am concluding that 90-95% of the Indian population is non-intellectual, narrow-minded and will not connect to such campaigns.

    4. I can imagine how Muthalik and others can/might use this to their advantage, somewhat similar to how Modi capitalized on some of Congress/Sonia Gandhi’s extravagant remarks and Tahelka cases before the last Gujarat election. (I am a native of Gujarat, so believe me, I know how this affected the mindsets!)

    5. A sample Sri Ram Sene speech in a few weeks may look like: “Do you want a public give-and-take of pink chaddies? Is that the culture that you want India to be identified with? Should we not do whatever it takes to fight it?”. The 90-95% of audience, comprising mostly rural, under-educated, middle-class people rooted in tradition, would respond with an instant, unanimous, uproarious backing.

    6. No wonder that this particular campaign got so much publicity, but it might just turn into negative publicity and backfire, and actions of few might make others suffer!!! [e.g., would u want these party or their supporting party to win the next elections, just like Modi won in Gujarat?]

    So, it’s crucial that we protest by reasonable, responsible, farsighted and moderate means, which this campaign lacks in my humble opinion. This way, I clearly see more harm than good being done. Anyone who’s publicly promoting such ideas should think responsibly about the possible outcomes, as your blind steps (though with good intention) might hurt future of many!

    totally with ya, sejal. omg, i was going to type just the same!!! thx mate!!!!

  23. February 13, 2009 2:15 pm

    I do not think that incident is related to PCC in any way at all. PCC or not, this would have happened. We only need to get the attention of a majority to all the unfairness towards the fairer sex in any way we can and PCC is a step in that direction.

    Shilp: I didn’t say that there is a causal relationship. However, I did imply that PCC could have negative impact that might result in incidents like that. But like ye said, it’s a matter of getting attention of majority … well, more power to it. :)

  24. America permalink
    February 13, 2009 5:19 pm

    Happy Valentine’s Day India, America, the World!

    This cartoon link probably sums up alot of feelings;

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0nq4HZqFAh0/SZX7Np8N7YI/AAAAAAAAA8I/3U0IJOSMrIc/s1600-h/bg20.jpg

    haha … i totally forgot it was V day until i logged on to blog. guess should wish husband. :/

  25. American Woman permalink
    February 13, 2009 5:22 pm

    Indian Homemaker, you are so right.

    The actions of the SRS and the campaign itself is really all about the FEAR of womens’ sexuality, her yoni power.

    Hence, only pink chaddis can convey, that not pink chappals or pink choodis.

    They want to contain the fire but the fire will burn them down!

    AW: we’ll agree to disagree. :)

  26. February 13, 2009 5:37 pm

    They`ve won Roop! They did it! Rather, we did it! The SOBs have abandoned their V-Day protest. Read this: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ram-sene-abandons-vday-protest-in-karnataka/85200-3.html?from=search

    Hope you get well soon! Happy Valentine`d day, my friend!

    Pipes: sadly, i don’t think anyone has won yet. Battle has only begun. Not even that really …. let’s hope the hype doesn’t fizzle out. happy v day to u too!! :))))

  27. pancardzzzzz... permalink
    February 13, 2009 10:39 pm

    HAPPY VALENTINES DAY…
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Muthalik-140-others-held/articleshow/4125413.cms

    umm yess same to u pankaj!! :))) do enjoy!

  28. February 14, 2009 4:43 am

    Happy Valentine Day!!

  29. February 15, 2009 9:34 am

    Attacking somebody because somebody is at the pub – is NOT dignified.

    locking up woman and considering women as a tool of and for pride, honor – is not dignified either.

    “dignified is a relative term”. for eg – to wear shorts in the US is not considered outrageous.
    but in some areas in india to wear a salwar kurta after marriage is not considered dignified either.
    and cover your hair you must – because … you get my point –

    on another note this was citizen journalism in action – dignified or NOT – it is up to you to decide.

  30. February 17, 2009 10:10 pm

    @Sejal: I guess you have got one small thing wrong. PCC was not for the women’s right to drink in pub, rather against moral policing. Many women who partook in the campaign hadnt been inside pub ever and maybe do not have any intention of doing so. Today someone is forbiding you to go to pub, tomorrow they will forbid you to work. Lets not be so obtuse about a well-intentioned campaign. I would suggest please read IHM’s blog.

    And who decides what is undignified or what is not? Everyone has a different definition. Did you read news pice about 54 and 60 year old ladies sending pink panties? Are they undignified because they chose to protest symbolically?

    I know few friends and colleagues who were uncomfortable about sending panties themselves, but mutely supported PCC. I showed them the opinions of dissent from you (your comment) and Roop (Roop’s posts), I was surprised at their reaction. Their reaction was: Why didn’t I send a panty myself? Perplexed, I asked why.

    They explained that your voices of dissent have made them sure that they must fight for freedom. Freedom to define what dignity or reason means to each one. Forget Muthalik, not even us women have right to decide what is dignified and right for other women. Each women decides that for herself. I am surprised you women can’t respect that.

    And you know what, forget Muthalik, nothing ever dismayed me to see you guys pulling other initiative down, no matter how well your intentions were.

    This is my last comment on the issue, I wont be coming back for any other argument.

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