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May 10, 2011

Just when I mentioned that I had nothing to be sad about, I spend a night in agony over something someone said. My aunt called me yesterday to check on me and my health. I can’t reveal the details of my conversation with her or the context of the conversation here for obvious privacy reasons but, as one part of the conversation, she proudly gloated about her 25 year old daughter being the perfect daughter-in-law material. “I had a friend over,” said the Aunt, “and she was so impressed by my Sita (name changed) who does everything as I tell her, doesn’t ever speak back to me or her father, always asks her father to make her decisions and even if we yell or scream at her in front of people, she never reacts. My friend was very impressed. She told me that whichever house Sita goes to will be a blessed house because the girl has no voice. I am very blessed to have such a brilliant daughter.”  Me being me, I couldn’t help myself but say, “If I ever have a son, I’d happily pray to all the Gods required every day at the exact assigned times as needed if that ensures that he won’t ever marry a girl with no voice. I’d really rather not have a perfect daughter in law.”

Of course, the Aunt just scoffed at my stupidity. “What? Look at Jassi (another esteemed member of our family/in her fifties now/name changed),” she continued, “only God knows how much misery she has gone through all her life at the hands of her in-laws and her husband, but she never once spoke up. She maintained her family’s izzat (honor). She suffered all the agony silently. She is the type of a woman who deserves to be idolized. We should be drinking water that washes her feet.” My nausea had kicked in by that point, and the nausea had nothing to do with pregnancy, let me assure you that.  ”And made her kids suffer the agony with her,” I piped in but was ignored. “She kept her family intact. She made sure that her kids had a father”, dear Aunt went on, (“Yeah, an abusive father, sure yes, do go on”, I was thinking as she spoke) “Of course, I would not wish such a miserable family upon Sita, but I will be very proud of her if she handled herself the way Jassi did.” I think that’s when camel’s back finally broke and I made an excuse of suddenly having an instant need to feed myself a meal that’d take intensive preparation during which I could not be on the phone.

I am tired. Really. I am tired tired tired. Tired of fighting the same battle which I keep losing over and over again. Certainly, I only have control on my own life and I did what I could to live it by my rules and ethics, but Sitas around me continue to bother me. I know Sita. Even if she loved someone, she would never have the strength to stand up to her parents if they disapproved of him. She’ll agree to their decision immediately, and quietly retreat into her shell that she is comfortable within. She has convinced herself that her parents (and other authority figures in her life) know better for her than she does herself. She runs away from conflict by opting for the easy route of following an authority figure rather than having her own opinion and sticking by it. And she is not the only one doing that. There are so many women of her/our/my generation doing the same. Young, educated, in a ‘liberated’ country so to speak, they still follow the same path that their mothers did 25 years ago seeing it as the only path to a successful life as a good wife, a good mother, and a good daughter in law.

A friend of mine was telling me about her cousin. Of Indian origin. 25 year old as well. An engineer by profession. Married to an engineer. Lives in the US. And under duress for being pregnant with a girl. Because her mother-in-law wanted a son.

My first reaction was obviously of shock. Not because her mother-in-law wanted a son (no big shocker there anymore). But because this girl was letting her mother in law’s opinion affect her pregnancy. Why couldn’t she just tell her mother-in-law to mind her own business? And what about her husband? What was he doing during all of this ? Did he not think it wise to stand up for his wife? What right does his mother have to desire a son from his wife? When the heck are we going to get out of this depraved mindset? I really thought that ours was the generation that’d bring about the change, but most of us still continue to be the same as our mothers and grandmothers were years ago. That makes me tired. Real tired. I don’t want to fight this fight anymore that many don’t even understand. The decisions I made in my life, the actions I took, majority around me – family and otherwise – choose not to see the justification behind. What I say is not the norm, and hence, it is not correct.

When I say that I shall not feel sorry for Jassi for a lot of the misery that she endured because it was a result of the choices that she made, I’m made out to be a heartless monster. Why should I be sorry though? Why should I respect her for suffering abuse when she could’ve made the choice to not suffer it? The maximum that I feel for her is sympathy that she got stuck in a very unfortunate situation out of which getting out would’ve been very tough for her. But she could’ve made the choice of getting out which she didn’t. She chose to stay and suffer because she was afraid that her situation would worsen if she got out. Perhaps it might have been worse on the outside, but had she made that choice, that would’ve earned my respect. Living with abuse shall not. And I cannot compromise with that stance. Neither do I feel that I must justify it anymore to anyone accusing me of being heartless and not knowing how to respect my culture. Culture. ha! What a joke. Beat a woman to submission and let culture cover it up. Of course though, if a woman is willing to bite on that bait, why wouldn’t it be used? Women bit on it in my mother’s generation, and women are doing it today too. It is exhausting to even think about it.

Another instance that comes to mind. When I went back to Canada a couple of years ago, I went out for dinner with friends including two guy friends. We’d invited this another newly married, our age AND educated friend D of ours out for dinner as well. At the last moment, she declined the offer because her husband was not comfortable with her coming out with men. Of course, I didn’t say anything to her but I could not shake it off for days that she’d willingly listened to her husband. Another mutual friend of ours (let’s call her S/also our age and a career woman) ‘explained’ to me that she respected D because she had chosen to listen to her husband rather than fight with him and jeopordize her marriage. Sure, fine, I am all for compromises in a marriage. That’s the only way to a healthy relationship, but isn’t it a tad extreme that a husband has a say on who you choose to associate with? Does he not trust you to make the right decisions for yourself? Why does he need to baby you? And why would you let him baby you? If I was D, I wouldn’t fight with Pati but sit with him to find out his concerns for his wishes, address his concerns, and then chalk out a compromise. But, of course, I am wrong. Every relationship is different, like my friend S advised me, and a woman needs to learn to give in to make it successful. Did I not say that I am too tired to even fight it anymore?

All I hope for now is that I can infuse enough self confidence into my daughter that she never feels burdened to be somebody who she is not. I would want her to develop her own personality and not tow a line that generations before her have been made to tow. I’d hope for her to be able to stand up for what she believes is right and not be afraid of being outcasted by her own people. Regardless of how wrong the world thinks of her actions, if she is not hurting anyone or herself with them, I want her to know that I’ll always be there to support her. And even if her actions do end up hurting her, I want her to be assured that she can always come to me for a hug and encouragement to keep going. No matter what the circumstance, I would never want her to not have a voice. That’s all I can hope for now.

As for others, I feel … tired.

PS: This post is for you, AHK. Thanks for pushing me out of slumber.

Edited to add: 

Please go read what Iya and Smitha have to say on the same topic. 

36 Comments leave one →
  1. May 10, 2011 6:12 pm

    I cannot say anything about this topic without my blood boiling. I know of women here who are working and educated and HAVE TO ASK EVERY SINGLE THING TO THEIR SPOUSE, whether its going for a movie or a drinks or buying a $10 trinket. I want to smack them silly but NK says if they are happy following their spouse’s rules then who are you to interfere

    • May 10, 2011 6:21 pm

      Ugh yes, tell me about it, sun!!! Like i said, im t.i.r.e.d. Im with NK now. I don’t want to care anymore. :(

  2. May 10, 2011 6:48 pm

    When someone makes non-confrontational choices and takes the easy route out (mostly due to prolonged conditioning), I would say that you need to tell them that, in your opinion, they are not doing justice to themselves as human beings. Having been brainwashed into a lifetime of conditioning, they will probably not listen; but then again your words might plant the seed that will one day give them the strength to stand up for themselves.

  3. May 10, 2011 6:53 pm

    Oh, don’t give me any credit Roopsie. Those couple of lines clearly needed more space and voice here and you did them justice :)

    “I really thought that ours was the generation that’d bring about the change, but most of us still continue to be the same as our mothers and grandmothers were years ago” – Don’t loose hope so easy Roop. I look around and find many ( you , me and much more) who definitely are breaking the norm and voicing out. It took centuries of civilization to grow the problem..not it shall take some more time to uproot it as well, no?

    Things are changing slowly, but surely.

    It may not be perfect, but our daughters will sure have better ideals in a better world.

    • May 11, 2011 4:23 pm

      Thankoo, AHK. :) I really hope so. It’s really hard trying to stay hopeful though eh. I do want to see Sita’s side of story though. I want to know what she thinks. or If she thinks . :/

  4. May 10, 2011 8:50 pm

    Sigh…my heart breaks and yet I am with you…so tired. I have my own good friends who are in the same boat and they are not the type who would normally sit down and sut up. Somehow once being married, they have changed their whole mindset and accepted it as their lot in life. I see glimpses of my friends but all I can do is sympathise and hope that they find the strength to break the cycle.

    • May 11, 2011 4:24 pm

      Is that true, silv! Ugh, sad innit. Yeah, what can an outsider do … except hope for the best really. Sad though.

  5. May 10, 2011 9:59 pm

    This stereotype is evidently engraved in the minds. A good DIL is one who never answers back, asks permission, thinks more about her in-law than her own parents, has no opinion etc etc etc. And parents feel proud to bring up daughters who are then appreciated on these line. Its a circle. Its all nice and fashionable to talk about independence and education but when it comes to choosing a DIL most parents look for a girl who has no opinion to ensure she settles into the family and follows the rules with much interruption to the existing.
    And, well, endurance has been long associated as being the biggest virtue a woman could ever have, closely followed by patience. And thats what makes your aunt a Hero where rest of the family is regarding her as some one to be revered.

    Things will change, and this change will come with more woman speaking up and standing for their own rights. And this will happen with education and financial independence. And also when people start treating a girl child as precious as a boy child. Even this is a circle.

    Ur post so agrees with me Roop. I am seeing something similar happen to someone very close. The problem is that this someone totally thinks its all right and that she should be thankful for whatever little she is getting.

    But I do believe that to make a marriage work both partners have to come forward. I wont call it compromise (hate that word), its more like adjustments one makes to accommodate the other in their lives. Again i firmly believe its something both have to do.
    Sorry for hogging your comment space Roop.

  6. Harsimran permalink
    May 11, 2011 12:55 am

    Hey Roop I can only say don’t feel tired as yet…It’s a long battle and we’ve to win…after all its all about a creature who is kept underestimated all the time when she tries to rise above all the odds in her life. I know all such people, esp. in my country, you know this is such a common thing…we are educated, we are intelligent, we know how to achieve success…yet all these people and this so-called society wants us to keep in shackles. So, all I can say is we must keep trying instead of getting t.i.r.e.d….it’s our battle and we’ve to win this at any cost …We’ve to give our future generation a life free of such stupidities.

  7. Harsimran permalink
    May 11, 2011 1:09 am

    I could not stop myself from posting the above comment before finishing reading the entire post. after posting the comment I resumed reading again and thn the Jassi instance forced me to write this one.

    we all have choices in our life and we only can decide best for ourselves not the others. If we see a bird flying free in the sky, we wish to be like it, but sorry to say we ll not try a bit in our life to be like that bird.

    Just to add something from Chandogya Upnishad (I haven’t read this scripture but caught a glimpse of these nice lines in a newspaper’s spiritual section) …..”A person is what his deep desire is. It is our deepest desire in this life that shapes the life to come. So let us direct our deepest desires to realize the self.” In short we are our own masters after God :)

  8. May 11, 2011 4:16 am

    Every time I hear of people like this, it breaks my heart. Why is it that a woman is trained to ‘give in’, ‘ compromise’, adjust, irrespective of what the situation is? Why should a man be given the right to control a woman so much, that despite her qualifications, despite what she is, she still is expected to bow to his wishes? However unreasonable they might be?

    And the sad thing is that such women are held up as ‘examples’, as people who we should admire and try and emulate. A woman with a mind of her own is considered ‘bad’..

    • May 11, 2011 4:28 pm

      Exactly that, Smith, such women are held up as examples …. and rest of us are bad. That labeling by family has tired me out too, yes.

  9. May 11, 2011 9:44 am

    Loved the last para the best… hugs.

    • May 11, 2011 4:28 pm

      Thank you so much, ihm. coming from you, means much. hugs too.

  10. May 11, 2011 1:36 pm

    Hi! I got here from Smitha’s’ blog (wordsndreamz). I really like the way you write…and agree wholeheartedly with the content. It pains me to see so many women choose a life of submission and unexploited potential. Then they justify their choices using the longevity of their miserable marriage which in turn contributes to more stigma around divorce which leads to more women choosing to stay in misery…..arghhhhh!!
    BTW, Sita sounds a lot like my soon to be ex :D

    • May 11, 2011 4:29 pm

      Thank you so much for your kind words, umm the wild child!? hehe …. Ouch …. would her being Sita have anything to do with her becoming an ex? Sorry if i am intruding. :))

      • May 12, 2011 2:51 am

        Yes, HIS being like Sita had a lot to do with his becoming an ex. Nope, you’re not intruding!

  11. Divya permalink
    May 11, 2011 3:27 pm

    I came across ur post thru a link from IHM. I can totally and totally empathize with you. Often there are times I feel so helpless and at times very angry – it is hard to accept that there is nothing I can do to change the situation. Or is there ??? That is the question I have been asking myself.

    I married at 23 – had an abusive marriage – tried to “adjust” as long as I could i.e. 3 years (but thats another story) – then one day it was too much and I walked out. What followed was a dirty divorce but along with it also came peace. I worked in Bangalore in a German company – I took a tranfer and moved to Germany. Enjoyed some time being on my own and in due course I met a nice guy and after 2 years of courtship we decided to marry. I am not 31.
    You would think I would be an example for all those friends stuck at unhappy marriages but NO nothing can be far from truth.
    I do have many many friends who pour into my ears tales of woe – but none of them are ready to act. Rather I am “used” to scare their husbands (their husbands would think they have a divorced friend who would always give this advice – leave ur man if u r unhappy). If I get bored hearing their misery and tell them if he is so bad why don’t you leave him – I get to hear this “But he does not hit me like your husband did!!!”. Or the classic – I am Mother India and i would stay in this marriage for the sake of my child. A friend of mine was used by her husband as nothing more than a sex-slave and she stayed separately from him for 2 whole years. Now when her husband wants a divorce she is crying – how can I take his father away from my son. It was too much for me to tolerate and I reminded her what she has been doing all these 2 years alone. Since then she avoids me. I am indeed pissed off hearing stories about mean MILs – this from smart educated women who do nothing to alternate the situation other than complain and grumble and to be told how great they are to tolerate all this. Sorry thats how I see it.
    I think it is up to us women to take charge of our own lives – something which only we are responsible for. Please stop trying to be a matyr – it helps no one. The world will not end with our “selfishness”.
    When I wanted to marry this German guy – of course I faced with lots of resistance from my father who suddenly was a proud brahmin. He even offered to find a groom for me. I asked him that my first husband’s grandparents were our neighbors and we knew the family since my childhood but still then I underwent so much of mental and even greater physical abuse- how is he going to find out about the groom-to-be. I was really ineterested in his course of action but of course he had no answer. I told him I know this guy and have been dating him for 2 years and am willing to take the risk. My well-meaning aunt wanted to convince my father and her trump-card – who would marry me instead. I am indeed speechless !!!!!
    I am no longer sure if we are all fighting a losing battle :-(

    • May 11, 2011 4:30 pm

      Wow, what a story, Divya! Thank you SO much for sharing!!! EXACTLY what I was trying to say. So it does happen more often than we think eh. Everyone knows someone in the same boat!!! Much power to you. Really. MUCH MUCH power to you for deciding the direction of your life in your own way. I am so so proud of u, and would hold women like you up as examples for my children to look up to and admire. Thank you again for sharing your story.

  12. Harsimran permalink
    May 12, 2011 12:05 am

    Divya….I’m speechless after reading your story! you truly define the word “Women.” You’ve taken the right decision, I mean you knw tht German guy and considering marrying him is a much wiser step thn any brahmin, who would be a stranger to you…and one thing I’m frowning at, is your well-meaning aunt :P how could she think like that? i wonder sometimes women becomes the worst enemies of women :(
    All the best for your future and we are proud of you dear :)

  13. May 12, 2011 2:24 am

    Sigh! These women have been conditioned to live a badly scripted ancient male fantasy. They are not only non-confrontational, they are slaves. But times have changed, and thankfully now there are women like you … who realize that life is much more than being slaves to husbands and in laws.

  14. Pratibha permalink
    May 12, 2011 3:10 am

    Hello Roop -I love your blog and have been following it for a while, but this is my first comment here. Congratulations on the baby girl that’s on the way :)

    I just wanted to say – fighting the COMMENTS is tiring too. I live in South India, and I’ve been fighting the MCP system ever since I got engaged. I didn’t have an arranged marriage – I married my best friend and he stands by me no matter what. I’m lucky I don’t have to fight for the big stuff, but the STUPID things people say piss me off big time, and I get into an argument every time I hear them, and have become SUCH an unpopular person. With his family, my family, friends, random relatives. About my disinterest in cooking, my need to have a career that is in no way less important than his, my desire to care for my parents, barbs that I now belong to his community (we come from different communities). And the stupid cliched remarks like “so when’s the good news” “does your wife feed you well” “you now belong to his family” “dont your in-laws mind that you spend so much time in your parents’ home” “you are going to stay in your own place? your poor in-laws will be all alone” All these things make my blood BOIL and my BP soars every time I hear this stuff. Phew. Sorry for coming and venting here!

    • May 12, 2011 3:27 am

      Pratibha women like you are making it easier for other, generally younger women to reject such conditioning. Maybe some of the younger girls in the community will someday quote your example to make their parents see their lives would not be ruined if they continued to live even after they were ‘married off’.

      • Pratibha permalink
        May 12, 2011 3:33 am

        Thanks IHM! But I’ve been married less than a year and a half – I’ll be 27 next month – and I’ve already made myself so unpopular lol – guess parents will quote me as a bad example hehe :))

    • May 13, 2011 2:09 pm

      Thank you so much for sharing your story, Pratibha, and thank you for your kind words too.

      I can totally relate with you being branded the bad apple, and other girls in family being told to not be like ‘the bad girl’!! Totally see where you are coming from. But like Mystic said up there in comments, if your rebellion sows a seed in some girl in your family to assert her independence and follow the path you led, you’ve managed to change one life, and you should be proud of that. But yes, I hear you on your frustration! Totally what Im trying to say, yes.

      IHM: yes, eventually. you are right, i really hope.

  15. May 12, 2011 4:26 am

    Sigh the age old conditioning which just refuses to wither away. And so long as there are people like ‘Jassi’ or your aunt’s daughter or the girls Iya & Smitha mentioned about in their respective posts who think its in their ‘destiny’ to endure such abuse, sometimes I fear if we ever will get rid of such conditioning :(

    “All I hope for now is that I can infuse enough self confidence into my daughter that she never feels burdened to be somebody who she is not.” Oh I hope the same for my daughter, Roop. I hope she never ever falls prey to such ridiculous ‘adjusting norms’ and she has the courage and strength to stand up for her rights. As parents, its in us, isnt it, to ensure our children grow up to be a confident and assertive human being?

    Beautiful post. And good luck for your pregnancy

    Take care :)

    • May 13, 2011 2:06 pm

      Thank you much, Deeps. :) I dont know about getting rid of conditioning either. It never really went away totally, did it? I see women raised in western culture worried about not keeping their husbands happy if they are not putting out every night. How is that any different than a desi woman worried about not keeping her husband happy if she doesn’t let him boss her around? eh?

  16. Preethi permalink
    May 12, 2011 9:22 pm

    Hi Roop – a very thought provoking post.

    Yes, even I wonder why cant women stand up for themselves.

    Personally, I have seen 2 very dear friends of mine who are afraid to voice their opinion in front of their husbands.

    The first friend who was a colleague of mine, used to be friendly with all the guys in our office and ofcourse had one or 2 dear friends among them. But once she got married, she realised that her husband is not comfortable with her speaking to guy friends. She couldnt take calls from my friends anymore and it was a very embarrassing situation for her as well. My friend(guys) used to ask me all the time as to why she is not accepting his calls. According to me, her husband is insecure or plain too narrow minded to have this kind of thought process. Instead of giving some gyaan to her husband, my friend took an eay route and changed her handphone number. I really had no words to say to her. Moreover, she thinks that I am very bossy and egoistic as my husband lets me be me, and considers me his equal/friend.

    Another friend of mine stopped talking to her really best friend(a friendship of 10 years and they had to talk to each other every day) stopped talking to him beacuse – again because her husband doesnt like it. My friend says why spoil your relationship with your husband for a friend. It is not that simple. To me, after marriage if I have to let go any part of my past just because the husband doesnt like it beacuse of his stupidity, it would not mean a happy marriage. I am completely appalled – i mean what genereation do we belong to? Both these friends of mine are highly educated and have strong ideals and principals in other matters. They both claim to be very happy, so who am I to question.

    Sorry for the really long rant. Please feel free to delete.

    PS: Hope you are doing good and the third trimester is not giving you any major trouble as everybody says. Take care.

    • May 13, 2011 2:04 pm

      You know, Preethi, the only joy of blogging besides looking back and reading on your life in years to come is interaction with others …. and sharing our stories. Thank you so much for sharing your stories. Looks like there’s many of us women who are very ‘good’ girls. and there are a few of us who are bad too.

      I am doing alright yes, thank you. :)) Slight discomforts here and there. Would love to be able to dance and jump around hehe … but a few more weeks i guess. Phew. hehe time flew.

  17. July 24, 2011 1:12 pm

    Hi Roop,

    Firstly, Congratulations on your Baby Girl! :)

    Secondly, a well written post. Even I am facing the same old MIL-DIL problems. Its been just 3 months into my marriage and my MIL has already stopped speaking to me because I stood up to nonsense she was accusing me of!
    She is such a s.e.l.f.i.s.h lady. She is worried sick about her ‘reputation’ in the society because of my ‘indecency in attire’ (guess what I chose not to wear Bindi/toe rings after realising that no matter what I did she picked at every bloody thing), she forced us out of ‘her’ home (thankgod for that) because I refused to practise that hideous ‘you are worthless during period’ ritual, thinks I have poisoned her son’s mind when he stands by me and to top it all off she’s a brilliant actress! You’ve gotta see the way her face twists each time I speak (rather spoke) to her.

    She is more bothered about her reputation and respect than her own’s son’s well being! She’s now staying all by herself yet still unable to even smile let alone live happily!

    Why the hell do they do this to themselves in the name of society and culture?

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